I should mention. Most clients support TLS to the server so your password is just saved in clear text on the server. So what password you use depends on how much you trust your friendly lug.mtu.edu admins. -steve -- Steven Isaacson http://spi.panaverse.com <web@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> AIM/MSN/Y!:spi516 Jabber:spi@xxxxxxxxxxx "All good things will come our way, when tomorrow becomes today" - NASA