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<p><b>New page</b></p><div>* Hackintoshing by Simone!<br />
** What is Hackintoshing<br />
*** Running MacOS on non-Mac hardware<br />
** Why<br />
*** Cheaper, Macs are $$$<br />
*** More powerful<br />
*** More repairable<br />
*** Can run Mac exclusive software<br />
** History<br />
*** Pre-2008<br />
**** PowerPC chips<br />
***** “Special snowflake chips”<br />
**** 2006 Intel macs<br />
***** People realized: “wait, what’s so special about these macs anyway?”<br />
***** Immedietly set out on getting MacOS working on other manufacturer’s hardware<br />
** How it works<br />
*** Bootloader<br />
**** Clover is old, OpenCore is used nowadays<br />
***** mimicks Mac boot enviornment<br />
*** Kexts (kernel extensions)<br />
**** macOS krnel modules<br />
***** adds support for more hardware<br />
*** ACPI patching<br />
**** fixes firmware issues<br />
** Compatability<br />
*** CPU<br />
**** Intel works best<br />
**** AMD possible with more work<br />
***** issues with Adobe/32-bit/audio<br />
*** GPU<br />
**** NVIDIA is dead<br />
**** AMD<br />
***** Natively supported dGPUS (&lt;RX6000)<br />
***** Some iGPUs can work with patches<br />
**** Intel GPUs (&lt;= 10th gen) work natively<br />
*** Ethernet/Bluetooth/Wifi usually require community drivers<br />
*** Ultimatrely, if it’s not in a Mac, you’re gonna have to do some legwork to get it working<br />
*** Community drivers<br />
**** Wireless (few supported cards)<br />
***** Intel works because it was ported from OpenBSD<br />
**** Input<br />
***** Voodooinput supports non-USB devices<br />
**** Audio has drivers<br />
**** Some hardware just won’t work<br />
*** Install process<br />
**** Download MacOS<br />
***** It’s free!<br />
*** USB preperation<br />
**** Bootloader config takes time<br />
**** Simone also took a super long time getting the display working<br />
*** Updates/Maintenance<br />
**** Small updates like security patches usually fine<br />
**** Otherwise have to wait for community patches<br />
**** X86 support gone by 2026<br />
***** Effectively kills hackintoshing<br />
***** ARM is probably unfeasible<br />
****** Apple silicon specific instructions<br />
****** No GPU support<br />
****** Chips on the market are too varied from eachother<br />
******* Qualcomm chips<br />
******* And others<br />
******* All different from eachother<br />
*** Current status<br />
**** Still works for now<br />
**** Strong Community keeping it alive as long as possible<br />
*** Dane wonders if it’s possible for someone in the future to create a chip close enough to a real Apple chip that would work for ARM hackintoshing<br />
**** Kinda like how sellers on aliexpress sell desktop chips in laptop motherboard sockets for Thinkpads<br />
**** It’s possible, but unlikely<br />
*** Hackintoshers get tempted to just pick up a legitimate M-series macbook<br />
**** They’re (regrettably) actually quite nice<br />
**** Dane did<br />
***** can confirm he hates how much he likes an Apple product<br />
*** Windows on ARM sucks (well, more than Windows normally does)<br />
**** The OS itself works great!<br />
**** … until you try to run an application<br />
**** the majority of applications don’t even distribute ARM builds<br />
***** You see the “download for Windows x86/x64”, because even though there’s still ''someone'' out there using a 32-bit computer, notice there’s usually not an arm build<br />
**** Windows’ x86 compatability layer sucks<br />
** Legacy hackintoshing is still a strong community<br />
*** so long as you run the same applications you would have run back then, they’ll be just as fast<br />
*** the problem is if you try to run something modern<br />
**** like a browser<br />
**** …or a single electron app<br />
** Most compatible hardware<br />
*** Thousands of models of machines<br />
*** Best bet is following a guide on hardware support<br />
**** Intel/AMD iGPU from right era<br />
**** Machines from pre-2020 is generally your best bet<br />
**** No matter what machine you’re on you’ll have to do ''some'' extra configuration and work to get it running<br />
* Simone tries to give noah the slides for the talk<br />
** mfw 45MB odp file<br />
** transfer takes forever<br />
** Simone shows off the fancy USB 3.0 to 2.0 downgrader<br />
*** real bleeding edge technology over here<br />
* People shuffled out until ~8:30-PM ish<br />
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