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Re: [lug-l] Shirt Order Form



I would take the other opinion, and say that GNU is a component of a
system that need not include Linux.  It's just the best of possible
options.  So yes, GNU/Linux is a valid descriptor and I applaud you in
it's use, Charles.  I run Debian/GNU/Linux, given I could be using
Debian/GNU/Hurd or possibly Android/Linux.

Also, congrats on learning something, and don't let nay-sayers make you
feel small for them having known one thing that you didn't.

http://xkcd.com/1053/

Derek

On Sat, 2014-02-01 at 00:20 -0500, Brandon Dusseau wrote:
> That's sort of an unnecessary explanation, and doesn't really have
> anything to do with the shirts.
> 
> 
> Distributions of Linux do pretty much always include GNU software with
> the kernel. This is absolutely true. However, it's very uncommon to
> refer to it as GNU/Linux anymore, not because of ignorance, but
> because the GNU utilities are mere components of the operating system.
> The Linux kernel and associated modules are what's doing all the work
> anyway. Everything else is just for the sake of user interaction.
> 
> 
> You are correct in suggesting that GNU utilities are necessary for
> useful operation in the Linux operating system, but to suggest that
> Linux is a mere addition to the "GNU system" is just silly.
> 
> 
> 
> I can also tell you that many of the people on this list would
> probably not have responded so nicely to such a statement. Please do
> your research next time, and realize that the majority, if not all, of
> your audience is already aware of this or doesn't need to know.
> 
> 
> Now, as far as the shirts go, I'll agree that the design should be
> something that, at least somewhere, allows people to understand what
> "LUG" is. Other than that, it should be something fun that the members
> want to wear around, not necessarily for advertising.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Charles Cash <cfcash@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>         I definitely like the idea of possibly getting a different
>         design, but I feel maybe we could make something along the
>         lines of "Linux Users Group" and shorten it onto LUG somewhere
>         so that way others can somewhat learn about the club, since
>         there plenty of Linux/ GNU users that do not know about us!
>         But all ideas are open for discussion.  
>         
>         Side note:
>         
>         I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring
>         to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken
>         to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating
>         system unto itself, but rather another free component of a
>         fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs,
>         shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full
>         OS as defined by POSIX.
>         
>         Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system
>         every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of
>         events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often
>         called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is
>         basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
>         
>         There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it
>         is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel:
>         the program in the system that allocates the machine's
>         resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an
>         essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
>         it can only function in the context of a complete operating
>         system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU
>         operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux
>         added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions
>         are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>         
>         
>         On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Daniel Bierman
>         <daniel.bierman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>                 I'm wondering if I would be in the minority if I said
>                 that I for one would like to move away from the "Tux"
>                 design/concept and instead move "forward" with
>                 something a little more abstract, avantgarde, and
>                 totally NEW and refreshing.  Something that would say:
>                 "This is MY LUG shirt, there are many like it, but
>                 this one is mine!
>                 
>                 That being said, I will go along with whatever the
>                 group decides.  Thanks for listening
>                 
>                 Daniel Bierman
>                 Lug Member
>                 
>                 On Jan 31, 2014 11:13 PM, "Charles Cash"
>                 <cfcash@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>                         The shirt design is currently undecided, but I
>                         imagine it will feature Tux.  Unless anyone
>                         else has any other ideas.
>                         
>                         
>                         
>                         On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Tyler Adam
>                         <tjadam@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>                                 What's the design this year?  (Or,
>                                 have they been designed yet?)
>                                 
>                                 
>                                 
>                                 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 6:14 PM,
>                                 Charles Cash <cfcash@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>                                 
>                                         Hey all!
>                                         
>                                         
>                                         LUG is going to be getting
>                                         shirts, if you're interested
>                                         in one (or more) fill out the
>                                         following form.
>                                         
>                                         https://docs.google.com/a/mtu.edu/forms/d/1QxOEx7yT3SEIB4bMY-KSFyk750rPzYR1faihZWALR5M/viewform
>                                         
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