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- 19:03, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2009-02-26 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes == === Server Status === * Kuk is not booting... nothing is installed on a bootable drive === Installathon Prep === * 3 weeks away * Advertising? Yes! but the guy is sick * Table Tents denied they are already full * Complain about lack of availability for table tents... ** Full a month in advance is ridiculous * Info...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:03, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2009-02-19 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes == === Junkyard Wars === * Who has Junk?! * only has to vaguely resemble computer parts * broken is fine... that's part of the fun * x86 is okay too * Steve is bringing PC hardware * Extra points for not using GNU Libc * Nothing that would kill people * In 139 Fisher Next Saturday ** From 10am to 5pm === Budget === * W...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:03, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2009-02-12 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes February 12th, 2009 == === Server Status === * Lego is missing * Has not changed since last time * Still needing to manually update some of our mirrors * Kuk needs hardware ** $29.90 IDE cables ** $11.30 shipping ** $104.97 3G DDR 400 ** Total 410.45 * Cables - yes * Memory - Hold off for now. We're not sure how much i...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:03, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2009-01-29 (content was: "== LUG Meeting Minutes January 29th, 2009 == === We are now ignoring the man behind the curtain === === Mandatory budget meeting after the meeting at 8pm === === Statue === * Building statue starts next week * Everyone sign up for hours to build * design or plans for statue? ** in theory... * Steve will find out if Gabby Meyers has sent plowing...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:03, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2009-01-15 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes January 15th, 2009 == === Server Status === * Admin not here === Statue === * Who wants to disign it? * Will be WALL-E and Glenda * Pastore is asking questions * Due Wednesday next week * If you want to help e-mail gabby gamyers@mtu.edu === Student Involvement fair === * Happening Soon * This coming Tuesday 7-9PM MUB...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:03, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-12-11 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes December 11th, 2008 == === Order Pizza / Dues === * Who what where when how? * Dominoes and a pizza per person * Hawaiian, Pepperoni, Sausage * total: $41.54 === Server Status === * interesting and Fun News * 4 x 1.5T seagate drives from Dark-Fx * PFRC has requested hosting a wiki (just the database) * Kuk waiting unti...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:03, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-12-04 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes December 4th, 2008 == === Server Status === * ? agmlego is not here tonight === New VP === * Emergency Election * He has to take time off, won't be an enrolled student * Nominations ** The Front row (Alex and Markus) ** Tall Matt * Voting Next week (so we can nominate more people) === SOCS (Snow Statue) === * Take to...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:03, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-11-20 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes November 20th, 2008 == === Server Status === * No Change === Food? === * We all Love Arby's ** Invading it after the meeting === Read Email! === * There was an e-mail forwarded to the list it needs reading === Snow Statue Stuff === * PFRC would like to help build a giant sphere of death ** We'd help if Glenda is on t...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-11-13 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes November 13th, 2008 == === Server Status === * Still doing alright. No change * ETA on Kuk? hopefully by the end of thanksgiving === Other === * PR Progress? ** Nope ** Maybe a movie night or other small bet together ** Shock Therapy? === WoW thingy came out today === === Treasurer Shows up === === Snow Statue ===...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-11-06 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes November 6th, 2008 == === Server status === * Hasn't Blown up yet * Kuk still progressing slowly * Having user galleries ** We have the software on the server ** would be useful for sharing photos on IRC ** Should update the Group galleries === SOCS === * Meeting yesterday, didn't do anything * reviving ACM * Anyone el...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-10-30 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes October 30th, 2008 == === Server === * We're maxing our pipe out and it's fine * Slow Progress on Kuk === LAN Party === * Only 28 people * They don't need us or our switches anymore ** They didn't like how much logo space we wanted === Penguicon === * Want Registration, E-mail Steve === Shirts === * Need to think of...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-10-23 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes october 23rd, 2008 == === Server === * No news ** new box still worked on * CSLC will be getting a channel === Budget === * Money person is gone === IRC for others === * All our services are open to whoever want to use it === Penguicon === * Steve hasn't gotten any e-mails === Other === * Spring Installathon? ** Wan...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-10-16 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes October 16th, 2008 == === Server Status === * Andrew not here * server still has two drives lost ** will work on after new case comes in mail ** *false alert...* it was his own server * Andrew here maybe make sense now * Server is okay, yay! === Installathon Wrapup === * It happened... it's over. * Lots of people showe...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-10-09 (content was: "=== LUG Meeting Minutes October 9th, 2008 === === Server update === * Server is running * GZ box is not running ** turns on but no OS ** Only 256MB of Memory ** Microcenter deal on memory ** Requires DDR we want at least 1GB ** Also needs a Gigabit NIC for it * Still dont' know where the Breaker is * More ram for Osiris? ** has 2GB on it total 56...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-10-02 (content was: "== MTU LUG Minutes October 2nd, 2008 == === Server Status === * It has not been blown up * MOTD has been updated, contains new rule (about Unicode) * Website has been updated * It's okay if we put the GZ box in the rack ** suggests that we don't turn it on until we locate the braker ** we only have 15A (we think) * UPS connection issues? ** We do...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-09-25 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes September 25th, 2008 == === Server Status === * Website ** People that said they'd look into it aren't here * Not Changed since last week * Need to move our extra computer (GZ) out of my dining room. * it was suggested that we figure out how to get more power ($$) * We have no idea where our power is coming from. * Mirr...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-09-18 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes September 18th, 2008 == === Dues? === * Byan is here!!! * Everyone hand over your sou^H^H^H 5$ === GZ Case === * Whenever Agmlego has time * Need to diagnose the unknown hard drive === Server status === * Ubuntu mirror is updated and working again ** 5 days ago stuff stopped * Fedora mirror was broken for a long time...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-09-11 (content was: "== Meeting Minutes September 11th, 2008 == === Lost location === * E-mail checkage === FREE PIZZA!!! === * Steve's Basic Linux === Presentations === * + * Virtualization - ? * NUXI: Confidential END Category:Meeting Minutes", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-09-04 (content was: "== MTU LUG Meeting Minutes September 4th, 2008 == === Installathon === * Date? ** Anytime... ** IRC: October 11th or 12th ** Family weekend and Hispanic Heritage night *** MUB busy? could be in Rheiki instead * Advertising ** Sean Bulger (he's STC) * Presentation Volunteers ** Theme Customization - Corey ** Basic Linux Command Line - Dark-Fx or...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-04-24 (content was: "== MTU LUG Minutes April 24rd, 2008 == === Free Stuff === * Old hardware give away === Ubuntu 8.04 === * We're an official mirror now. yippi * including ISOs * Kyle - updating archive settings to show 100MBit === Bandwidth updates === * upgraded bandwidth * unthrottled 100MBit to intarwebz === End Of Year === * Updating accounts on LUG * Summe...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-04-17 (content was: "== MTU LUG Minutes April 17rd, 2008 == === Elections Last week === * President - Steve * VP - Brandon * Server Admin - Andrew M. * Secretary - Christian === UPS === * Situation is unstable * one machine is not on UPS, if it was we'd only have 5 minutes ** not long enough for backup generator * Asking Alum for donations * Stuck on 15A circuit * P...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-04-03 (content was: "=== MTU LUG Minutes April 3rd, 2008 === === Mary takes over Lug === === Where's Kyle? === * No one knows === Upset with USG === * Getting proper power equipment for out hardware is a "convenience" ** it's a safety issue * Brian: requesting 2TB of storage space on the USG server === Community LUG === * Mary intarweb stalked Neal(?) ** the one t...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-03-27 (content was: "== MTU LUG march 27th, 2008 == === Bonzai === * April 12th * Programming contest, starts 8am (saturday) * Game AI === Kernel presentation === * Dark will present 2 weeks from now === Next week === * Brian might not be here * Anything planned? Kyle would be more likely to show up. === Officer Elections === * Sometime soon... * Constitution says...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-03-20 (content was: "== MTU LUG meeting minutes March 20th, 2008 == === Seminar next week === * Custom kernel tutorial ** Mary: Kick out people that can't * Distro specific stuff? ** mary rant: LODE + Iraq == ?! * Steve: alternate language input * other ones? ** mpa2xx devices/tv tuners === Posters === * Specific or not? ** Steve: Just meeting times? + "weekly prese...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-03-06 (content was: "== MTU LUG meeting minutes March 6th, 2008 == === Backup Strategies === * BackupPC presented by Kyle * http://wildbill.nulldevice.net/presentations/bkuppreso/ === Budget === * Money for Pcon, network, Installathon * Maybe take donations and that determines Pcon? ** Sounds like badness * Attend meeting to see why we got what we did === v4l[12] =...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-02-28 (content was: "== MTU LUG meeting minutes February 28th, 2008 == === Install-a-Thon === * Went Well ** Mac wasn't working :( * Presentation turn out good, except Myth TV === Elections === * Nominations (but who?) === Server Space === * More space, yay! (GZ case with ~2TB in it) * Taking Dark's server out? who's here over summer for sys-admin stuff? ** Need R...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-02-07 (content was: "== MTU LUG meeting Minutes February 7th, 2008 == === Install-a-Thon === * Desktop Effects started? Nope * Tents approved for Friday and Saturday * Poster boards? ghetoo rig something === Jon "Security Hole" Devree === * Issues with clone mode on his laptop * Dark and Jon argue about what stuff does END Category:Meeting Minutes", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:02, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-01-31 (content was: "== MTU LUG meeting Minutes January 31th, 2008 == === Install a Thon === * Approval of table tent? - passed around room ** Switch "Linux Games" to "Gaming In Linux" * Basic UNIX - Steve, not ready yet * Homebrew PVR - Brian (Dark-Fx) * Desktop Effects - Jon Turbo * Linux Applications - No volunteer ** Change to Productivity Apps? * Curious if Dini...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:01, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-01-24 (content was: "== MTU LUG meeting Minutes January 24th, 2008 == === Installathon === * We've got events! * Basic Unix - Steve * List events without set presenters? * Desktop Effects? a running demo machine (too easy to break in config) * Getting X to use less ram? no use gnome or kde (blah) or firefox ** Adam being silly === In Meeting Presentations === * N...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:01, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2008-01-17 (content was: "== Lug Meeting January 17th, 2008 == === Cookies! === === Held Officer's Meeting on Tuesday === === Lead Discussions === * Pre-Planned, Any member, something interesting to bring people to meeting * Enough Content = won't be turned down === Fund Raising === * Need More money for server stuff ** Especially UPS, currently 25% capacity but only p...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:01, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2007-12-13 (content was: "== MTU LUG Minutes December 13th, 2007 == === T-Shirts === * Should come in Next week * Who's leaving early? (Before Wednesday) * We'll be contacted === Server Update === * Still getting stuff in, some problems with drives still * Rails should come in on Monday * setup rack on Tuesday and switch everything over === IRC === * IRC services disapp...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:01, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2007-12-06 (content was: "== MTU LUG meeting Minutes December 6th, 2007 == === Package Manager for PCLinuxOS === * command? it uses apt but is RPM based === Server Status === * Quicksilver has leaking capacators * migrating to new hardware * Maybe spending time after finals are done * hardware back from minerva - but not tested * SCSI backplane might of been loose... now...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:01, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2007-11-29 (content was: "== MTU LUG meeting Minutes November 29th, 2007 == === IRC === * Dark's connection off campus (irc.fxaffinity.com) ** round robin to 3 different ones * connection to NMU * other MI universities? * gonna at least investigate * invite other LUGs to our server === n-cast DNS? === * instead of round robin === Free stuff in WECN === * Monitors and cr...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:01, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2007-11-08 (content was: " === T-Shirts === * Next week a thing with the person that does university tees * Mary suggested something ** but Brian is looking for other options * Brian will order them but wont give them to us until we pay * Mary says her company is not Nazi and doesn't spam * Hoping for shirts before X-mas * Make sure silk screened and not printed === Serve...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:00, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2007-04-19 (content was: "== MTU LUG meeting Minutes April 19th, 2007 == === Penguicon === * Leaving early tomorrow morning (6am) * stops at StIggy and Troy. === Enlightenment 17 === * Vaporware? * resizing window locks up === 2.6.20 LIRC === * anyone got it working? * Lots of module renames === Clusters? === * one is getting put together Any Time Now(tm) * lustre... o...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:00, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2007-04-05 (content was: "== MTU LUG meeting minutes April 5th, 2007 == * Recollection of Monies for server Equip * USG overbooked so trying to squeeze in a hearing * Penguicon: give $$ to Peter (aka techieb0y) * 8.5 hour trip in Chong's car. bring tunes. END Server Equipment: * 1400V*A for $300 with controller card. Funds actually set for next year but deal was for t...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:00, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2006-01-19 (content was: "=== ASMTU === * Elect new Vice President * IRC moderation * More budget ideas === Tentative server request === * Network Connection * Advertising for 2 install-a-thons * Advertising for 4 talks each semester Category:Meeting Minutes", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:00, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2007-11-01 (content was: "== MTU LUG meeting Minutes November 1st, 2007 == === Shell Access === * Problem? Who gets access? * Someone disabled Jon's account? * He removed everyone's shell access as security lock down * Mary: He gave impression that he wouldn't remove access * 4 accounts disabled * Mary: He's not attentive to needs of people on server ** Active not passiv...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:00, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2007-10-11 (content was: "=== MTU LUG meeting Minutes October 11th, 2007 === === Install-a-Thon === * Mirror? Not enough space? * Connection? Rovernet too slow * Server Guy will talk to Telcom * Last Year we just used Rovernet * Table Tents and Posters Done === Kernel 2.6.23 came out. === === Mary Laptop === * Touch Screen - serial interface * Boot to Windows to reset...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/imported>Sjwhitak|imported>Sjwhitak]]" ([[User talk:imported>Sjwhitak|talk]]))
- 19:00, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2007-10-04 (Dupe data.)
- 19:00, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2007-09-20 (Dupe data.)
- 19:00, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2007-09-13 (Dupe data.)
- 18:59, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs deleted page 2007-04-26 (Dupe data.)
- 18:52, 14 July 2024 Lugadmin talk contribs changed group membership for D2wn from (none) to administrator and bureaucrat (I'm the president, gimme access (`･ω･´))
- 18:52, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs moved page 2012-10-09 to Minutes 2012-10-09 (Consistent naming scheme)
- 18:52, 14 July 2024 Lugadmin talk contribs changed group membership for Sjwhitak from administrator to administrator and bureaucrat (Give Steven ability to control other user's groups)
- 18:52, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs moved page 2010-04-15 to Minutes 2010-04-15 (Consistent naming scheme)
- 18:51, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs moved page 2010-04-01 to Minutes 2010-04-01 (Consistent naming scheme)
- 18:51, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs moved page 2010-03-25 to Minutes 2010-03-25 (Consistent naming scheme)
- 18:43, 14 July 2024 Sjwhitak talk contribs moved page 2024-03-21 to Minutes 2024-03-21 (Consistent naming scheme)