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Re: [lug-l] Shirt Order Form
Oh lawd, is we paintin' a bike shed?
On Sat, 2014-02-01 at 13:32 -0500, Jon DeVree wrote:
> Since it is the Linux/UNIX Users Group, I think we should do a t-shirt
> design based on Beastie for once.
>
> What color should his shoes be for our shirts?
>
> On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 08:29:59 -0500, Derek LaHousse wrote:
> > I would take the other opinion, and say that GNU is a component of a
> > system that need not include Linux. It's just the best of possible
> > options. So yes, GNU/Linux is a valid descriptor and I applaud you in
> > it's use, Charles. I run Debian/GNU/Linux, given I could be using
> > Debian/GNU/Hurd or possibly Android/Linux.
> >
> > Also, congrats on learning something, and don't let nay-sayers make you
> > feel small for them having known one thing that you didn't.
> >
> > http://xkcd.com/1053/
> >
> > Derek
> >
> > On Sat, 2014-02-01 at 00:20 -0500, Brandon Dusseau wrote:
> > > That's sort of an unnecessary explanation, and doesn't really have
> > > anything to do with the shirts.
> > >
> > >
> > > Distributions of Linux do pretty much always include GNU software with
> > > the kernel. This is absolutely true. However, it's very uncommon to
> > > refer to it as GNU/Linux anymore, not because of ignorance, but
> > > because the GNU utilities are mere components of the operating system.
> > > The Linux kernel and associated modules are what's doing all the work
> > > anyway. Everything else is just for the sake of user interaction.
> > >
> > >
> > > You are correct in suggesting that GNU utilities are necessary for
> > > useful operation in the Linux operating system, but to suggest that
> > > Linux is a mere addition to the "GNU system" is just silly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I can also tell you that many of the people on this list would
> > > probably not have responded so nicely to such a statement. Please do
> > > your research next time, and realize that the majority, if not all, of
> > > your audience is already aware of this or doesn't need to know.
> > >
> > >
> > > Now, as far as the shirts go, I'll agree that the design should be
> > > something that, at least somewhere, allows people to understand what
> > > "LUG" is. Other than that, it should be something fun that the members
> > > want to wear around, not necessarily for advertising.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Charles Cash <cfcash@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > I definitely like the idea of possibly getting a different
> > > design, but I feel maybe we could make something along the
> > > lines of "Linux Users Group" and shorten it onto LUG somewhere
> > > so that way others can somewhat learn about the club, since
> > > there plenty of Linux/ GNU users that do not know about us!
> > > But all ideas are open for discussion.
> > >
> > > Side note:
> > >
> > > I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring
> > > to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken
> > > to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating
> > > system unto itself, but rather another free component of a
> > > fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs,
> > > shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full
> > > OS as defined by POSIX.
> > >
> > > Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system
> > > every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of
> > > events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often
> > > called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is
> > > basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
> > >
> > > There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it
> > > is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel:
> > > the program in the system that allocates the machine's
> > > resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an
> > > essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
> > > it can only function in the context of a complete operating
> > > system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU
> > > operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux
> > > added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions
> > > are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Daniel Bierman
> > > <daniel.bierman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > I'm wondering if I would be in the minority if I said
> > > that I for one would like to move away from the "Tux"
> > > design/concept and instead move "forward" with
> > > something a little more abstract, avantgarde, and
> > > totally NEW and refreshing. Something that would say:
> > > "This is MY LUG shirt, there are many like it, but
> > > this one is mine!
> > >
> > > That being said, I will go along with whatever the
> > > group decides. Thanks for listening
> > >
> > > Daniel Bierman
> > > Lug Member
> > >
> > > On Jan 31, 2014 11:13 PM, "Charles Cash"
> > > <cfcash@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > The shirt design is currently undecided, but I
> > > imagine it will feature Tux. Unless anyone
> > > else has any other ideas.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Tyler Adam
> > > <tjadam@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > What's the design this year? (Or,
> > > have they been designed yet?)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 6:14 PM,
> > > Charles Cash <cfcash@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey all!
> > >
> > >
> > > LUG is going to be getting
> > > shirts, if you're interested
> > > in one (or more) fill out the
> > > following form.
> > >
> > > https://docs.google.com/a/mtu.edu/forms/d/1QxOEx7yT3SEIB4bMY-KSFyk750rPzYR1faihZWALR5M/viewform
> > >
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